Melvin Gets Creative.
Apr. 11th, 2011 12:50 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
forbidding_archivistSo apparently, Melvin thinks I'm a looney cunt for not thinking that George Soros is an Illuminati master-mind out to create the New World Order. But as usual, he gets the facts wrong, so let's dissect it, eh?
And notice the contempt for the "whackos", who she apparently knows are whackos because... ... they say something about Soros, who she knows nothing about.
First off, I know a great deal about George Soros, the Hungarian-American billionaire who's famous for his currency speculations. I'm familiar with his short sale of the British pound, which netted him a cool $1.1 billion dollars. (Sucks for the UK government, but that's their own fault pushing the pound into the ERM at too high a rate.) I'm familiar with how the ASEAN blamed him for the Asian financial crisis originally. I'm familiar with his inside trading conviction in France. I know exactly what causes he donates to and why.
But the people who think he's some sort of super political mastermind ARE whackos, and it's pretty plain to see. The conspiracy theory they all bleat is the following:
The entire left wing movement as it exists today is run by Moveon.Org and the DailyKos, and is funded by George Soros.
Most people who follow this conspiracy theory also like to add on that George Soros is responsible for the Zionist Occupied Government and will create a New World Order after a racial holy war to eliminate the white race. Like I said: WHACKOS. Capital W, lower-case hack, and add a big O at the end for emphasis.
For Melvie's further information, here are a bunch of other conspiracy theories I DON'T believe:
- The Republicans used legal chicanery and fraud to win the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election. (And the 2004 one. And they tried but failed in in 2008.)
- That a group of "community organizers" called ACORN stuffed the ballot boxes for Obama in 2008.
- Former U.S. Vice President Richard B. "Dick" Cheney ordered Scooter Libby to expose Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer.
- John Hinckley, Jr. had been brainwashed into trying to assassinate Ronald Reagan, at the behest of George Herbert Walker Bush. This attempt to kill Reagan and let Bush step in failed, though by a very small margin. Alternately, it was to bolster Reagan's popularity (although he was already), and set Bush up to succeed him possibly.
- Bush deliberately lied to get the US to invade Iraq. (As opposed to being simply incompetent.)
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Allen Dulles and Chief Justice Earl Warren were all Communist agents. [1]
- The Reagan campaign made a deal with the Iranian government not to release the hostages until after Reagan was elected President.
- Bush et al. knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance. and let them happen.
- Bill and Hillary Clinton had 50 people murdered, and got off scot-free
- FEMA is on the brink of dissolving the US government and shipping all of the country's undesireables to concentration camps for slaughter or deprogramming.
- A vast number of American institutions are working together to "turn America into an amoral, humanist country, ripe for merger into a one-world socialist state".
The idea that George Soros is the secret puppet master of liberals everywhere, beaming mind control instructions into our brains, ranks right up there with the ones I just mentioned. Conspiracy woo. Bullshit. Fantasy.
That leads us to this sentence:
Murdoch runs a business. The Koch Brothers compared to the amount of money Soros puts into his activism is like a shot glass versus an oil tanker.
Ah, let's lift the veil on this simplistic crap, why don't we?
Murdoch runs a business, yes. So does Soros; he's got his own finance group.
Soros gives money to his pet political interests. So does Murdoch, who in recent years has hosted fundraisers for Hilary Clinton, ordered the New York Post to endorse Obama in the Democratic primaries, and has given millions to groups like the Republican Governor's Association and the US Chamber of Commerce. He's also managed to meet and influence more Presidents than Soros ever has, including Obama. And that's just here in the USA, not mentioning his actions in Canada, the UK, and Australia.
The Koch brothers too run a business. While they prefer to donate less, they exercise their political influence more directly: They create political groups, fund them entirely, and tell them exactly what to say. The list of groups include:
- Americans for Prosperity Foundation
- the Cato Institute
- the Mercatus Center
- the Institute for Humane Studies
- Citizens for a Sound Economy
- the Institute for Justice
- the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
- the Institute for Energy Research
- the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment
- Heritage Foundation
- the Manhattan Institute
- the George C. Marshall Institute
- the Reason Foundation
- the American Enterprise Institute
*sings* AND MANY MORE!!!! In fact, I'd say the Koch brothers are smarter than Soros because they realize you get more bang for your buck funding your own think tanks than just donating to a cause. Much more political influence that way.
The point of all this? Simple. None of these guys - Soros, Murdoch, the Kochs - are masterminds behind a sinister (or even blatant) political agenda. Not. A. One. They are all just rich businessmen using their money to influence politics to go the way they want things to go, so that they can continue to earn more and more money. I don't know why Melvin would have a problem with ANYONE doing that, since that's just capitalism at work.
But that brings us to this explicit question, presumably directed towards me:
Hey fuckhead. Have the Koch Brothers destroyed the British pound recently? For, in their own words, "fun"? No.
Well, let's have a correction here. He didn't do it for fun. He did it for a $1.1 billion profit.
Let's repeat that with emphasis:
$1.1 billion profit
That's a damn good reason to "destroy the British pound". You can bet that if the Koch brothers had thought of it, they would have done it in a heartbeat. So would Murdoch. And Gates. And Warren Buffett. Shit, ANY good businessman would have. If you wouldn't, Melvin, then you don't have any business sense whatsoever.
So no, the Koch brothers haven't done so lately, but I'm sure if the opportunity arose, they'd be on that shit like white on rice. After all, $1.1 billion happens to be some good tunes, no matter how you sliced it.
Ah, well, Melvie. Sorry I don't drink the conspiracy Kool-Aid to your satisfaction, but I'm not interested in going into Alex Jones territory with you. It's a sign of encroaching senility.
[1] This one is very popular with Bachmann!
And notice the contempt for the "whackos", who she apparently knows are whackos because... ... they say something about Soros, who she knows nothing about.
First off, I know a great deal about George Soros, the Hungarian-American billionaire who's famous for his currency speculations. I'm familiar with his short sale of the British pound, which netted him a cool $1.1 billion dollars. (Sucks for the UK government, but that's their own fault pushing the pound into the ERM at too high a rate.) I'm familiar with how the ASEAN blamed him for the Asian financial crisis originally. I'm familiar with his inside trading conviction in France. I know exactly what causes he donates to and why.
But the people who think he's some sort of super political mastermind ARE whackos, and it's pretty plain to see. The conspiracy theory they all bleat is the following:
The entire left wing movement as it exists today is run by Moveon.Org and the DailyKos, and is funded by George Soros.
Most people who follow this conspiracy theory also like to add on that George Soros is responsible for the Zionist Occupied Government and will create a New World Order after a racial holy war to eliminate the white race. Like I said: WHACKOS. Capital W, lower-case hack, and add a big O at the end for emphasis.
For Melvie's further information, here are a bunch of other conspiracy theories I DON'T believe:
- The Republicans used legal chicanery and fraud to win the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election. (And the 2004 one. And they tried but failed in in 2008.)
- That a group of "community organizers" called ACORN stuffed the ballot boxes for Obama in 2008.
- Former U.S. Vice President Richard B. "Dick" Cheney ordered Scooter Libby to expose Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer.
- John Hinckley, Jr. had been brainwashed into trying to assassinate Ronald Reagan, at the behest of George Herbert Walker Bush. This attempt to kill Reagan and let Bush step in failed, though by a very small margin. Alternately, it was to bolster Reagan's popularity (although he was already), and set Bush up to succeed him possibly.
- Bush deliberately lied to get the US to invade Iraq. (As opposed to being simply incompetent.)
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Allen Dulles and Chief Justice Earl Warren were all Communist agents. [1]
- The Reagan campaign made a deal with the Iranian government not to release the hostages until after Reagan was elected President.
- Bush et al. knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance. and let them happen.
- Bill and Hillary Clinton had 50 people murdered, and got off scot-free
- FEMA is on the brink of dissolving the US government and shipping all of the country's undesireables to concentration camps for slaughter or deprogramming.
- A vast number of American institutions are working together to "turn America into an amoral, humanist country, ripe for merger into a one-world socialist state".
The idea that George Soros is the secret puppet master of liberals everywhere, beaming mind control instructions into our brains, ranks right up there with the ones I just mentioned. Conspiracy woo. Bullshit. Fantasy.
That leads us to this sentence:
Murdoch runs a business. The Koch Brothers compared to the amount of money Soros puts into his activism is like a shot glass versus an oil tanker.
Ah, let's lift the veil on this simplistic crap, why don't we?
Murdoch runs a business, yes. So does Soros; he's got his own finance group.
Soros gives money to his pet political interests. So does Murdoch, who in recent years has hosted fundraisers for Hilary Clinton, ordered the New York Post to endorse Obama in the Democratic primaries, and has given millions to groups like the Republican Governor's Association and the US Chamber of Commerce. He's also managed to meet and influence more Presidents than Soros ever has, including Obama. And that's just here in the USA, not mentioning his actions in Canada, the UK, and Australia.
The Koch brothers too run a business. While they prefer to donate less, they exercise their political influence more directly: They create political groups, fund them entirely, and tell them exactly what to say. The list of groups include:
- Americans for Prosperity Foundation
- the Cato Institute
- the Mercatus Center
- the Institute for Humane Studies
- Citizens for a Sound Economy
- the Institute for Justice
- the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
- the Institute for Energy Research
- the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment
- Heritage Foundation
- the Manhattan Institute
- the George C. Marshall Institute
- the Reason Foundation
- the American Enterprise Institute
*sings* AND MANY MORE!!!! In fact, I'd say the Koch brothers are smarter than Soros because they realize you get more bang for your buck funding your own think tanks than just donating to a cause. Much more political influence that way.
The point of all this? Simple. None of these guys - Soros, Murdoch, the Kochs - are masterminds behind a sinister (or even blatant) political agenda. Not. A. One. They are all just rich businessmen using their money to influence politics to go the way they want things to go, so that they can continue to earn more and more money. I don't know why Melvin would have a problem with ANYONE doing that, since that's just capitalism at work.
But that brings us to this explicit question, presumably directed towards me:
Hey fuckhead. Have the Koch Brothers destroyed the British pound recently? For, in their own words, "fun"? No.
Well, let's have a correction here. He didn't do it for fun. He did it for a $1.1 billion profit.
Let's repeat that with emphasis:
$1.1 billion profit
That's a damn good reason to "destroy the British pound". You can bet that if the Koch brothers had thought of it, they would have done it in a heartbeat. So would Murdoch. And Gates. And Warren Buffett. Shit, ANY good businessman would have. If you wouldn't, Melvin, then you don't have any business sense whatsoever.
So no, the Koch brothers haven't done so lately, but I'm sure if the opportunity arose, they'd be on that shit like white on rice. After all, $1.1 billion happens to be some good tunes, no matter how you sliced it.
Ah, well, Melvie. Sorry I don't drink the conspiracy Kool-Aid to your satisfaction, but I'm not interested in going into Alex Jones territory with you. It's a sign of encroaching senility.
[1] This one is very popular with Bachmann!
